Aww come on Saihara-chan! You can tell me. Akamatsu-chan rejected me, so it's not like I can personally do anything with that information. I'm just trying to help you out.
[...that is the weakest lie you've told since we arrived here! You, of all people, could definitely find a way to use that information...]
[Shuichi shakes his head.]
If she didn't show you her card herself, then there's a reason she doesn't want you to have that information. It's not my place to tell you what's on her card.
And if it's just a matter of comparing square placement, I think I can manage just fine on my own.
[His expression falls a little with the mention of "there's a reason she doesn't", but he shrugs and leans back again.]
It's because we're "not that kind of friends", but alright.
[See, it would have been totally safe to tell him because he totally doesn't care. They'll never do anything together so!!!!! Quickly after that he sits up straight again, leaning in with a sly smile.]
[He finally stretches out completely, hooking his hands behind his head as he leans back and resting his feet in the detective's lap with a smug grin.]
I mean, you absolutely should assume that. I'm totes the kind of person who's doing underhanded things all the time. But just to let you know...you're still pretty bad at actually catching me in the act.
[It's said half sarcastically, half seriously. Because he knows Kokichi is probably just fucking with him, but if they're going to be stuck here together for the foreseeable future, it's a skill he needs to develop.]
[Especially since Kaede is just...so bad at it. And falls for all his lies.]
But alright, if you're not planning something underhanded for once, then what squares do we have in common?
[Or what are you going to claim we have in common, at least.]
A little bit... since you asked me if I wanted to "hear" what they were, not if I wanted to "see" what they were.
[As tiring as Kokichi's lies are...he can't help but be curious about them. Which is probably exactly Kokichi's goal, if this is anything like the "life and death" game they played back at the academy.]
Did you really think I wouldn't? [It wasn't exactly subtle. Not by Kokichi's standards, anyway.] But alright, what squares do we share or possibly share?
No, it's not that I think you wouldn't, I just wasn't sure if you'd actually call me out on it.
[He holds up a hand to count off the squares on his fingers.]
Orgasm control and denial, hands and fingers, edgeplay, altered state of consciousness, cages and confinement, multiple partners, flexibility and contortionism, and latex, rubber and leather.
[But the question is: Is he telling the truth about them?]
That's right. And I never break my promises, so you can trust that!
[Is he a little excited to see what Shuichi makes of all that information? Yes. Just a little. He wants to see if he can puzzle out that they're all real or not, or if he'll try and guess at which four are and which aren't.]
[Once again, Shuichi can't help but think back to the end of Gonta's trial. He's not sure he would call Kokichi's mastermind plan keeping his promise to "forgive each other and be friends". But he has enough sense not to bring it up. Not after Kokichi's apology.]
[He's choosing to believe that he only broke that promise because he thought he had to. Because his plan was already too far along to stop by then.]
[But, anyway, back to the issue at hand...how many lies is Kokichi telling this time? It's impossible to know.]
[It's absolutely because he had to. He had no way of predicting that Gonta would ask that of him...but thank you for not bringing it up.
Gonta is the classmate he is the most miserable over. He doesn't need any reminders for that...]
Are you gonna try and figure out which ones are which? It probably doesn't matter, so don't spend too much energy on it. I mean you only have so many hints to go off of to figure any of them out.
[He says it doesn't matter, but...he obviously wants me to figure it out. It may not matter with regards to the bingo game, but it must matter in the sense that it's a game of its own. Yes...this whole exchange has just been another one of his mind games.]
[He hasn't given me any actual clues other than the fact that four are true. But he still expects me to be able to figure it out, so it must be possible to make deduction based on what he has and hasn't said up until this point. It wouldn't be much of a "game" if the only way to figure it out was pure guesswork. Let's see...]
[It's probably easy to tell that it does indeed matter at least somewhat with the way he looks suddenly more interested at that answer. Like he's actually invested in whether or not Shuichi will try to figure it out, or if he gets it right. They're definitely playing a mind game right now that Shuichi wasn't asked if he wanted to play. At...least it's a harmless one though? There are no knives or death penalties involved!
Probably.]
Oh?
[He sounds intrigued, trying not to give away whether or not Shuichi is correct in his tone just yet.]
So what makes that your answer? Come on, it's no fun for me if you don't show your work!
[The fact that there are no knives or death penalties involved is why he figures there's no harm in playing along. This is basically just a logic puzzle. And if he REALLY wants to be friends with Kokichi again...that means occasionally he has to play along with his games.]
[Even if Kokichi never bothers to ask if he wants to play.]
Well, for starters, up until you said it didn't matter if I figured it out or not, you haven't told a single lie since I got here. [He pays close attention to Kokichi's expression as he says this, looking for any signs of confirmation. After all, technically he doesn't know that for a fact. It's just what he's choosing to believe. But he's pretty sure he's right.] This seems like kind of a weird place to start, especially since you were purposefully setting me up to expect you to lie about what's on your card.
[He wanted him to notice the blatantly obvious "hear" vs "see", he pretty much confirmed that. And he was clearly hoping Shuichi would call him out on it. If he hadn't, they wouldn't be playing this mind game right now.]
But more than that, it's the fact that I'm pretty sure you've been lying about how bad your card is since the beginning. I don't doubt that you have your share of "bad" squares, but that's not the real reason why you aren't showing us your card. It's just an excuse. We share a third of our squares, but there are worse and more masochistic things on my card than the eight you claim we share. Most of what you listed is actually relatively tame, comparatively speaking. Naturally, it would lead me to assume that you were lying.
It's an issue of flipped perceptions. By telling me the truth, you actually look like you're lying. And if you had lied, it would have seemed as though you were telling the truth. Because you would have said we shared squares like branding or rough sex instead of hands or leather.
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[At least he has that going for him!!!]
Which ones? Since you have five, that could open up different easy bingo options, depending on what they are!
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[But ugh, of course he asked for specifics. Of course he did.]
I can't tell you which ones.
[Because he is a good boy and he knows Kaede doesn't trust Kokichi with her card.]
[And he can't blame her, honestly.]
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[Everything. At least where Kaede is concerned.]
Aww come on Saihara-chan! You can tell me. Akamatsu-chan rejected me, so it's not like I can personally do anything with that information. I'm just trying to help you out.
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[Shuichi shakes his head.]
If she didn't show you her card herself, then there's a reason she doesn't want you to have that information. It's not my place to tell you what's on her card.
And if it's just a matter of comparing square placement, I think I can manage just fine on my own.
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It's because we're "not that kind of friends", but alright.
[See, it would have been totally safe to tell him because he totally doesn't care. They'll never do anything together so!!!!! Quickly after that he sits up straight again, leaning in with a sly smile.]
Wanna hear what squares we share, Saihara-chan~?
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[Not falling for it, Kokichi! He sees what you're trying to pull here.]
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I didn't ask you to, did I? I just wanted to share. Are you always going to assume that I'm trying to do something underhanded? That hurts.
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I mean, you absolutely should assume that. I'm totes the kind of person who's doing underhanded things all the time. But just to let you know...you're still pretty bad at actually catching me in the act.
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[It's said half sarcastically, half seriously. Because he knows Kokichi is probably just fucking with him, but if they're going to be stuck here together for the foreseeable future, it's a skill he needs to develop.]
[Especially since Kaede is just...so bad at it. And falls for all his lies.]
But alright, if you're not planning something underhanded for once, then what squares do we have in common?
[Or what are you going to claim we have in common, at least.]
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[That's the part that actually hurt with that exchange.]
I'll only tell you if you're actually interested, got it?
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[As tiring as Kokichi's lies are...he can't help but be curious about them. Which is probably exactly Kokichi's goal, if this is anything like the "life and death" game they played back at the academy.]
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It's scary how well you get me, Saihara-chan. I kinda like it.
[He props himself up on one hand, tucking some of his hair behind his ear with the other.]
Since you caught onto that so easily, I'll be nice and promise that I won't lie about at least half of our squares. How's that for a deal?
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[He holds up a hand to count off the squares on his fingers.]
Orgasm control and denial, hands and fingers, edgeplay, altered state of consciousness, cages and confinement, multiple partners, flexibility and contortionism, and latex, rubber and leather.
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So anywhere from four to eight of those are true, right?
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That's right. And I never break my promises, so you can trust that!
[Is he a little excited to see what Shuichi makes of all that information? Yes. Just a little. He wants to see if he can puzzle out that they're all real or not, or if he'll try and guess at which four are and which aren't.]
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[Once again, Shuichi can't help but think back to the end of Gonta's trial. He's not sure he would call Kokichi's mastermind plan keeping his promise to "forgive each other and be friends". But he has enough sense not to bring it up. Not after Kokichi's apology.]
[He's choosing to believe that he only broke that promise because he thought he had to. Because his plan was already too far along to stop by then.]
[But, anyway, back to the issue at hand...how many lies is Kokichi telling this time? It's impossible to know.]
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Gonta is the classmate he is the most miserable over. He doesn't need any reminders for that...]
Are you gonna try and figure out which ones are which? It probably doesn't matter, so don't spend too much energy on it. I mean you only have so many hints to go off of to figure any of them out.
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["Only so many"? Really? He's working with nothing here.]
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[He tsks, but then shrugs carelessly afterward.]
Well like I said, it doesn't really matter if you figure it out or not.
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[He says it doesn't matter, but...he obviously wants me to figure it out. It may not matter with regards to the bingo game, but it must matter in the sense that it's a game of its own. Yes...this whole exchange has just been another one of his mind games.]
[He hasn't given me any actual clues other than the fact that four are true. But he still expects me to be able to figure it out, so it must be possible to make deduction based on what he has and hasn't said up until this point. It wouldn't be much of a "game" if the only way to figure it out was pure guesswork. Let's see...]
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None of them are lies. Those really are the eight squares we have in common.
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Probably.]
Oh?
[He sounds intrigued, trying not to give away whether or not Shuichi is correct in his tone just yet.]
So what makes that your answer? Come on, it's no fun for me if you don't show your work!
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[Even if Kokichi never bothers to ask if he wants to play.]
Well, for starters, up until you said it didn't matter if I figured it out or not, you haven't told a single lie since I got here. [He pays close attention to Kokichi's expression as he says this, looking for any signs of confirmation. After all, technically he doesn't know that for a fact. It's just what he's choosing to believe. But he's pretty sure he's right.] This seems like kind of a weird place to start, especially since you were purposefully setting me up to expect you to lie about what's on your card.
[He wanted him to notice the blatantly obvious "hear" vs "see", he pretty much confirmed that. And he was clearly hoping Shuichi would call him out on it. If he hadn't, they wouldn't be playing this mind game right now.]
But more than that, it's the fact that I'm pretty sure you've been lying about how bad your card is since the beginning. I don't doubt that you have your share of "bad" squares, but that's not the real reason why you aren't showing us your card. It's just an excuse. We share a third of our squares, but there are worse and more masochistic things on my card than the eight you claim we share. Most of what you listed is actually relatively tame, comparatively speaking. Naturally, it would lead me to assume that you were lying.
It's an issue of flipped perceptions. By telling me the truth, you actually look like you're lying. And if you had lied, it would have seemed as though you were telling the truth. Because you would have said we shared squares like branding or rough sex instead of hands or leather.
Am I wrong?
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